WIC Grocery Haul with TikTok Mom Sunni Rudd @justsunni

Sunni Rudd (1m 2s):

When I go to the grocery store and I use my WIC benefits, I'll take videos, all of the stuff that I get on my benefits. And then I also come up with recipes for said, WIC calls, because not everybody knows what you can make with these very specific foods that we get.

Katie Ferraro (1m 17s):

Hey, there I'm Katie Ferraro, Registered Dietitian, college nutrition professor and mom of seven specializing in baby led weaning here on the baby led weaning made easy podcast. I help you strip out all of the noise and nonsense about feeding, leading you with the competence and knowledge. You need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods using baby led weaning. Okay. I have a treat for you guys today. Sunny Rudd is joining me and she is a Tiktok sensation on Tiktok. She's at just sunny. Sunny is a new mom, and when she was pregnant, she was working on her master's degree in music at New York University, and she got pregnant.

Katie Ferraro (1m 60s):

She signed up for the WIC program. So that's the United States special supplemental nutrition program for women, infant and children, W-I-C, WIC, that's called WIC and WIC provides nutrition assistance for income eligible families that include pregnant, breastfeeding and postpartum women, infants and children up to age five. So Sunni's going to tell you a little bit about her wicked journey in the interview, but the reason why she's really garnering interest from the WIC community is that she does these WIC Grocery Haul with TikTok and then tons of content, which at this point is a lot of has become viral content on how to make recipes using WIC approved foods. So the way it works in the WIC nutrition assistance program, there's only a set number or types of foods that you can use your benefit to purchase, and those have special nutritional requirements and limitations.

Katie Ferraro (2m 47s):

And then there's a portion of your benefit you can use for fresh produce, but it differs state by state. And also your benefit package changes depending upon what life stage you're in. So WIC is a whole thing and navigating WIC as a new mom is really Sunni has carved out her place in social media. Sunni red has caught the eye of various state WIC associations. I know I speak about baby led weaning. I'd make an attempt to speak at as many of the state WIC associations as I can each year. And I feel like each state has mentioned sunny or Ben showing her videos. I don't, we're going to the Washington State WIC association meeting. She's like, I'll be there. She's going to be at the national WIC association. So now she's caught the eye of various state WIC associations. And now Sunni is helping the national WIC association with content, but she's here today to talk a little bit about her own personal content, how she got big on Tiktok and what she's doing to promote WIC as a resource for other families.

Katie Ferraro (3m 38s):

And I have to say, she's probably like the hottest thing going and WIC right now. I speak at a lot of state WIC association meetings about infant nutrition and baby led weaning. And almost all of them that I've spoken at this year have mentioned sunny or been highlighting or videos. I know she'll be at the national WIC association meeting in-person she said she's going to be taking her daughter Robyn. So I think she's just doing amazing stuff on top of like building her creative and theatrical career and raising Robyn as a single mom, she just got her master's and then somehow she has time to make all this amazing viral content on Tiktok. You guys are going to love her with no further ado. This is a WIC Grocery Haul with TikTok Mom, Sunni Rudd. Again, she's on Tiktok @justsunni

Sunni Rudd (4m 23s):

You for having me.

Katie Ferraro (4m 24s):

I have been like deep stocking your Tiktok. I love all of your content. It's so cool to get to meet you in person. And I getting to see baby Robyn here with us too. So give us a little background. Tell me your story. Before we dive into some of the content stuff that you're doing.

Sunni Rudd (4m 37s):

So I was an army brat growing up and my mom was on WIC, even though my dad was in the military and my Nana was on WIC and my sister. And so, yeah, everyone in my family is really big on using their resources. And I also just graduated with my master's from NYU. So in my last year at NYU, I got pregnant and I knew that I wanted to keep doing my degree. I wanted to finish my degree and I live in New York where everything is very expensive. So I had to do the best to use my resources. And so I started blogging on Tiktok to follow my pregnancy journey. So then I could look back and see how my body was changing and growing.

Sunni Rudd (5m 21s):

And then I decided to start nutrition blogging too, because I wanted to be able to track how my nutrition journey grew like through pregnancy. Because once I got pregnant, I realized that I was feeding myself not good foods.

Katie Ferraro (5m 36s):

It's funny. It's at the time a lot of moms realized like, oh my gosh, the foods I put in my mouth finally affects someone besides just me at this point in a lot of pregnant moms were like, all right, I'm going to start thinking about how I eat.

Sunni Rudd (5m 46s):

Exactly. I was like, I can't just keep eating Oreos, Oreos and ramen were the only things that I could keep down in the first trimester

Katie Ferraro (5m 53s):

You got to do. But did you join WIC as a participant during pregnancy? Yeah,

Sunni Rudd (5m 58s):

Absolutely.

Katie Ferraro (5m 58s):

Well, you know about WIC because your family was in WIC, but could you just share briefly the experience like getting into the program? Was it, was it easy? Was it frustrating?

Sunni Rudd (6m 8s):

It was very difficult. And I think that's why I started blogging so that could help other people navigate how difficult it can be. And I know that all of our offices have like mentors and things and the advocates there are very great. But sometimes there is that there's that barrier of making the phone call and showing up to your appointments and getting proof of pregnancy and all of these things that you might not necessarily know off hand before you run into the challenge that can go all the way down to the WIC office and they tell you, you need proof of pregnancy. And so you have to start over. That's what happened to me

Katie Ferraro (6m 41s):

Once you finally got into the program, what was your initial reaction regarding like, let's talk on the nutrition piece, not the bureaucracy. We can't change that, but as far as like the foods in the food package that were provided to you as a participant in WIC, who's a pregnant mom. Were you like, oh yeah, this is what I thought or is this way different?

Sunni Rudd (6m 58s):

It's way different than what I thought, because when I was growing up, I didn't understand that my mom used this select group of resources, like this handful of resources to make all of the meals that she made for us. And so that was also a learning curve that I had to experience. So I was like, okay. So they're only giving me like one cart of eggs and all of this milk and cereal and beams and veggies. And I'm going to have to figure out how to make this work. And when I first started WIC, it was only $11 in veggies. And I had to figure out how to make that work for what my situation was. I was like, how can I make this stretch? And how can I buy things that are on sale and freeze things?

Sunni Rudd (7m 40s):

Yeah. I think that level of

Katie Ferraro (7m 41s):

Was your experience about trying to navigate where you could physically go to shop because you had to go out and now use your benefit maybe in retail locations that you weren't used to shopping at. Is that a safe assumption?

Sunni Rudd (7m 54s):

Yes. And also New York has a lot of grocery stores. And so I have a lot of access in that regard. And so we're very lucky here where you can generally go to any large grocery store that's in your area. And then they have most of the WIC items labeled. I haven't found one of the WIC stores that people talk about in Brooklyn, where I live, but a lot of my grocery stores do carry WIC items. And it's so specific. Like at some stores you can get the apple juice. That's like the frozen concentrate and the other stores, they won't have that. So you have to get orange juice. And so I just become very familiar with the approved products for my region because it takes practice. And every single time I go to the store, I'm on my WIC app looking to see which things are approved.

Katie Ferraro (8m 37s):

Okay. So then you have Robin, how did your experience as a WIC participant change once you had the baby?

Sunni Rudd (8m 44s):

It was almost harder after I had the baby because you apply for postpartum. And a lot of people don't know that

Katie Ferraro (8m 51s):

You have to bring the baby to prove you had the baby.

Sunni Rudd (8m 53s):

You have to bring their information like, but this one I could do over the phone cause we've already deep in the pandemic. So they finally let us started making phone calls to apply. But I remember I was on the phone with my, a WIC participant for like an hour and a half because I didn't have proof of pregnancy. Somehow they let me leave the hospital without a little baby guard from the, at the hospital. So I had no proof that I had this child, so I had to wait for her social security card to come. And yeah, I didn't know that I would have to reapply for postpartum after pregnancy.

Katie Ferraro (9m 24s):

And again, once you got over that hurdle, you sound very resilient. Cause I think a lot of people and they do give up just because of the bureaucratic nightmare of getting involved in a very large I'll, I'll be at very successful and amazing program. It's still a massive government run program. Once you got over that second barrier, you had Robin, what sort of benefit did you get that was different from when you were pregnant?

Sunni Rudd (9m 45s):

I got a lot of breastfeeding support and formula too. So the breastfeeding support was endlessly helpful because I couldn't find a lactation consultant that I didn't have to pay for right after I have the baby. And it's like around the holidays and everything too. I had a right before Christmas. So like my budget was timing. They give you free lactation consultants and you can rent a breast pump from them and you can change if it's not going well, then I transitioned to formula. So now I do both I breastfeed and I supplement.

Katie Ferraro (10m 17s):

And what were your thoughts on the education? Because what's unique about WIC as a nutrition support program in the United States, as it compares to like, for example, food stamps, there's no required nutrition education, but with WIC in order to receive the benefit you do have to be involved in their education. Was your education all remote? Did you like it? Did you find it helpful? What are your thoughts there?

Sunni Rudd (10m 37s):

I found it incredibly helpful even though I was very resistant to it at first because I was very frustrated that I have this newborn that was like screaming at me and I'm trying to figure out breastfeeding and I need to call them now to renew my benefits so that I can get food benefits and it was difficult. But then when I look back, I'm so grateful that there was a person that was required to stay on the phone with me and actually asked me how I was doing, because I don't think that anyone checked in on my breastfeeding journey besides my pediatrician. And I don't see her as often as I talked to my,

Katie Ferraro (11m 13s):

And for the breastfeeding support that you got through WIC, was that virtual or were you going in person to see the lactation consultant?

Sunni Rudd (11m 18s):

They offered me boats. I did it virtually, but you can have somebody that will FaceTime with you. They can call you or they can come in person and send somebody to like help you get your latch together. I just did it virtually because I needed just like quick support. But yeah, it was very helpful. Like I think my, which representatives were more helpful than the lactation consultant I had at the hospital.

Katie Ferraro (11m 39s):

That's amazing. And I think WIC is really known again for the slogan for years was WIC works. Because if you look at the outcomes data, we do know that as far as the nutrition assistance program goes, it really does improve outcomes. Both for parents, as far as birth outcomes for babies. Iron is another one. I'm curious. Have they checked Robin's iron yet? Have you done a heel stick or a fingerstick? Haven't done any that in person yet?

Sunni Rudd (12m 0s):

Well, we did that, I guess at the hospital and check

Katie Ferraro (12m 3s):

When the baby was born,

Sunni Rudd (12m 4s):

But we haven't done one yet, but she'll have one at her six month appointment, which is intuitive.

Katie Ferraro (12m 10s):

Okay. So Robyn is coming up on six months. Are you getting excited for her to be starting solid foods?

Sunni Rudd (12m 15s):

Yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited and scared.

Katie Ferraro (12m 19s):

Okay. Don't be scared. We got all the resources in the world for you. I'm like you have amazing resources for us, but we have amazing resources for you too.

Sunni Rudd (12m 26s):

Yeah. I feel you. And I'm so grateful for those. I am very nervous about the, the gagging to learn. You know, I talked to my pediatrician and she was like, that's very normal. Just be mindful of.

Katie Ferraro (12m 38s):

You're very lucky because not a lot of pediatricians get it. I have a mantra. It's just, gagging is a good thing. Like what? Robyn's gagging. You just sit on your hand, just say gagging is a good thing. Gagging is a good thing. And when she's, we were talking about her sitting up, you know, it'll be after six months when she's sitting up relatively unassisted. And that combined with being beyond six months, you know, nutritionally that she doesn't need anything except breast milk or formula until six months. And then when she can sit up, she can totally do this. She can recover from a gag on her own and she doesn't need you to intervene. You, you do it a few times. You'll be amazed at your own confidence, but the first few times can be a little nerve wracking for sure. All right. Let's talk about Tiktok. How did you get into creating content? Like was your intention to have it be WIC specific?

Katie Ferraro (13m 20s):

Cause I know you cover lots of different topics, but like I know you for all of the WIC content you've been creating. So what's the backstory there.

Sunni Rudd (13m 26s):

Yeah. I do create all different kinds of content, but I feel like WIC is one of the most challenging things that first-time moms and all moms in general navigate. And so I create that because I'm passionate about cooking and I like it and I'm learning as much as my community is learning. Like I don't think that I'm doing the majority of the work. That's the truth. I just make the videos. And then the comments clear everything up. Like you have people that are arguing that are either for or against the WIC program. And you have wit representatives who have tapped in now and with nutritionists. And so the comments are really where it's at, where it's at

Katie Ferraro (14m 4s):

The WIC community loves your content because I can say as an outsider, I mean, I'm a contractor with WIC and I should say, I do both paid and unpaid consulting with almost all of the state WIC associations, really helping to bring the baby led approach to feeding to the WIC program. So I understand a lot of the same frustrations and struggles you go through. But I do have to tell you, you have had an amazing impact on the WIC community. And I almost every single state convention I've spoken at, they're fully aware of you and your work and recommending it. So you're really to be commended because you are helping to educate about the program, but you know, in a way that only a mom who's actually going through it can who, and I know you do now do some contract work with WIC and the national WIC association, but you're coming at your content from a very objective lens.

Katie Ferraro (14m 46s):

And I think that's something that just the greater community hasn't seen and it's this massive government program. You're like, why? I don't mean to say why hasn't someone thought of this before, but I'm looking at something like this is genius. This is exactly what we need communicating with moms on the platform where they are, which is Tiktok.

Sunni Rudd (14m 59s):

And also it's because there's a lot of shame surrounding the WIC program. And I ran into a lot of that when I started making what content originally, and those people have kind of fallen off because it see the impact that I have in the community that,

Katie Ferraro (15m 14s):

And I see the support from the people who are pro WIC and are in the program and understand it for what it really is. And they kind of sell, they police each the bad guys don't they

Sunni Rudd (15m 25s):

Don't have to do the work because they do the workforce.

Katie Ferraro (15m 27s):

It's the same. And baby led weaning. It can be, and historically has has had a very kind of judgmental atmosphere around it. But we work really hard to create a positive community where, you know, moms who've been around for a few weeks. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not. What's going on here. Look at the research, look at the science. You know, this is a dietitian teaching you. You're a real mom doing this. You have the experience and you're sharing both the good and the bad. I don't think you're trying to sugarcoat anything, which I really appreciate. So I'll tell us just a little bit about some of the videos that you do. I know we're on a podcast describing a Tiktok account, but you're kind of become this phenomenon in the WIC community. And I want to make sure everyone knows what it is that you're doing.

Sunni Rudd (16m 3s):

So I do WIC hauls, which is like when I go to the grocery store and I use my WIC benefits, I'll take videos of all of the stuff that I get on my WIC benefits. And then I also come up with recipes for said, WIC hauls, because not everybody knows what you could make with these very specific foods that we get. So I come up with a lot of recipes and also cross-cultural recipes. That's very important to me because I feel that's one of the limitations that sometimes the WIC recipes have, or that they're not accessible to all cultures of people. I respond to a lot of comments about feeling guilt and shame like with using government assistance or how to access your benefits, where to go,

Katie Ferraro (16m 45s):

Okay. So I just bought your cookbook. So she, she has this amazing WIC cookbook. I'm going to link to it in the show notes because I think people are really going to want to get their hands on it. And I know I helped create with our interns recipes for different state witness associations using the jarred purees. Again, we're not here to bash jarred food and we've done a lot of content on our podcast about how you can incorporate pureed foods using a baby led approach. But we can also incorporate those into other recipes that are more developmentally appropriate for six month old babies. And I just downloaded your recipe book. It's amazing. Did you say you're working on another cookbook as well?

Sunni Rudd (17m 17s):

I am. Yeah. I just kind of threw the first recipes that I got in that cookbook because people were asking so hard for it and gave it to them. And now I'm going to come up with a new cookbook for the summer, because like I said, I'm on contract with the National WIC Association. So after I went viral on Twitter, they asked to partner with me and now I'm going to create some recipes. Well,

Katie Ferraro (17m 39s):

Was it viral on Twitter or Tiktok?

Sunni Rudd (17m 41s):

Both. I went viral on Tiktok and then somebody shared it on Twitter and was like, this black woman is making recipes on six talk, can you to go follow her? But then that went viral on Twitter and that's how the national a WIC association reached out to me. Cause somebody tagged them on Twitter, who was like, if you're not paying this person, you need to be. So that was great.

Katie Ferraro (18m 1s):

Well, I'm glad that you are doing some work with them. And again, I think it's important that the National WIC Association is involved. We've actually had Darlene Birch from the national WIC association on the podcast, a very long episode, talking about a lot of the proposed changes to the WIC program. And we got some feedback like that was too long. It was too detailed. It was too policy oriented. It was like these things matter. Like how do you think we got the amount of juice that we used to give families reduced so significantly. Do you know how long that took from a policy standpoint, people still complain about the amount of juice in the WIC food package. It's like, you think this is that you should have seen what it was before or this type in for fruits and vegetables. Like we're moving in the right direction, but like at a glacial pace. And you'd mentioned the fruit and vegetable benefit earlier that you were getting $11 during pregnancy, how much money do you get now towards fresh produce as from your benefit package?

Sunni Rudd (18m 47s):

And I'm on the postpartum benefit package and it is different for everybody, but I get $43 now because it's the extension.

Katie Ferraro (18m 54s):

Yeah. It's the pandemic extension thing. Yeah. But Darlena, I was, they drop all those acronyms. You guys speak a different language working with the national WIC association. Okay. So you get some of your benefit that you can use for fresh fruits and vegetables. So I know you do a lot of teaching about that and how you incorporate them into recipes. What would you say is like the weirdest WIC food that you were like, I have this, but I don't know what to do with it. I'm going to figure out how to make a recipe for it.

Sunni Rudd (19m 17s):

That's the point now where I like to try lots of different vegetables.

Katie Ferraro (19m 21s):

You think about it as a challenge to you don't complain about it or you do. You have a very great sense of humor about it, where you're like, listen, this isn't a food I always cook with. And again, I think it is important that we're talking about including culturally appropriate fruits. And there are, you know, WIC is a very diverse program across a very diverse number of states and territories. And the food package looks different depending upon where you are, but you will occasionally end up with foods that you're not used to eating. And I like that. You're kind of embracing it. Like I got it, I'm going to figure out how to use it. And I think that helps other parents stay upbeat instead of being like, dude, I don't know what to do with this. I'm going to Chuck it.

Sunni Rudd (19m 54s):

Yeah. I don't really find trouble with using the products that they do give us. My challenge comes in finding out how to make products that I wish they gave us with the products that I have. Like they don't have

Katie Ferraro (20m 7s):

It's the special supplemental program. Right? Like, and unfortunately it's intended to supplement, like it's not all inclusive and

Sunni Rudd (20m 15s):

Okay, what do you use the cereal for? Like I ran into that. I was like, I have like six boxes of cereal and what can I use this for, but

Katie Ferraro (20m 22s):

yeah I saw your rice Krispie treats, they look so good

Sunni Rudd (20m 24s):

Also that, but you can pop like corn flakes or oatmeal in the blender and now you got flour or in the food processor. Like, so that's what I started using it for. I was breading things with cornflakes for a long time, because it's so efficient. Like, yeah. That's what I use.

Katie Ferraro (20m 40s):

When you work on your cookbooks, do you try to use like X percent of the ingredients that are WIC approved foods or is it just like the basis of the food? Because obviously there's other ingredients that you have to use from your regular budget or things like spices, et cetera that you might have on hand. How does that work?

Sunni Rudd (20m 55s):

Yeah, I try not to use other ingredients beyond just the WIC approved ingredients, because I'm always talking to that mom who only has her WIC card left because I have been that mom and it's very important to me to create space for them to also have well-rounded nutrition. So yeah, I try my best not to use any outside purchase ingredients, but again, spices are unavoidable because there's no spices that are covered by the WIC association.

Katie Ferraro (21m 23s):

Your head's going to explode when Robyn start solid foods and you realize the gaps in the allergenic foods, because we really want to get babies to have the allergenic foods between six and 11 months of age and they just don't provide it. And it's a known gap yet. There's very strong evidence, especially for some of the allergens to support this. And so, and it's an area that's on their radar, but you're going to have a, you don't put up a whole other Pandora's box when you get into the solid foods with Robin. And I am so excited to watch your journey with that as well. Cause I know you're going to have such creative ideas and our audience needs to follow you as well. So we're going to link to all of your social platforms and definitely your cookbook. And I mean, you're just kind of growing this enterprise, which I think is so cool. I wanted to ask about the cooking, because you mentioned that your mom used to make foods and meals out of WIC products.

Katie Ferraro (22m 6s):

So like, did you inherently know how to cook? That's another huge issue with a lot of parents, especially when they're working is I have all this food from WIC. I don't really know how to cook and oh, by the way, I don't have time. So I'm trying to raise these kids and work. How do you address that with your community and your audience?

Sunni Rudd (22m 19s):

That practice makes permanent, you can either practice using your resources and setting that time aside to cook. And I will put her in the carrier. Like I still have her and she's still very active. What I'm cooking, I'll put her in the carrier and then I'll start cooking.

Katie Ferraro (22m 34s):

Were you formally trained in cooking and do you have a background and are you a chef? I mean, cause your meals look amazing. I'm like, can your, every mom make this?

Sunni Rudd (22m 43s):

Yes. A hundred percent. Yeah. Like I knew of the things that my mom would make, but it wasn't until I had a baby that I was like, okay, let me buckle down and figure out how to make that thing. So I do try to make my videos like as simple as possible. So if you see them, it's very clear steps for you. 1, 2, 3, 4. And it's not about the specifics, like my food doesn't always look great. Like that's what I can say. It looks good, but it's not perfect. Like I didn't go to culinary school. It's just accessible.

Katie Ferraro (23m 13s):

Sunni. What's your favorite WIC recipe right now? Like just top of mind, what comes to mind?

Sunni Rudd (23m 18s):

Shukshuka that's the one that I've been making like every other day.

Katie Ferraro (23m 21s):

Do, do you put garbanzo beans in your Shukshuka?

Sunni Rudd (23m 23s):

No, I don't.

Katie Ferraro (23m 24s):

I know someone from New York who does I'm like, I don't think you're supposed to, but I know there's a million different ways to make it all right. What's the basis of shakshuka. And what ingredients from WIC do you use?

Sunni Rudd (23m 31s):

Oh, sure. So I just take like some onions, garlic, because garlic is covered for me now, onion, garlic that canned tomato, like diced tomatoes, and then I just season it and then you crack some eggs on it, cover it for like two minutes and then that's like, and you can serve it with toast. You can put it on rice. Like you could eat it by itself. I love that stuff. It's just really good diced tomatoes

Katie Ferraro (23m 54s):

For moms out there who are listening right now, who are WIC eligible, new baby struggling, maybe with postpartum depression or just what goes into raising a child, feeling overwhelmed by having to transition to solid foods, ending up maybe with like different with products that they're not familiar with. Do you have any advice for these moms who might be feeling overwhelmed by the WIC program and where to even start?

Sunni Rudd (24m 15s):

Yeah, I think what I've learned through all of that and also with my baby first time moms that if you don't feel like you can run right now, all you have to do is crawl. Like, all you have to do is take that first step. It's like, okay, I'm not registered for WIC. Okay. Make that phone, call that first step. Okay. I don't cook regularly. Okay. Can you make yourself breakfast? And once you start going, then you kind of get the hang of it and it gets easier over time.

Katie Ferraro (24m 42s):

How has the formula shortage been for you and Robyn and WIC in New York?

Sunni Rudd (24m 47s):

I thought we were going to be okay because we're in New York and we're not like I have not been able to find her formula, our store for like almost three months. Now there are some stores in the city in Manhattan. I live in Brooklyn that have had them. So I'll like make that journey when I have time. But otherwise transitioning back away from supplementing to exclusively breastfeeding. And I've been like pumping and pumping so that I have a freezer supply now. So I know that not everybody has that privilege, but that's how we've been able to do it.

Katie Ferraro (25m 19s):

Okay. Sunni, I'm nervous to ask, cause I know you have a lot on your plate, but Robyn's approaching the six month. Mark. What are your thoughts on starting solid foods is baby led weaning in the cards? Are you like for it? Not for it,

Sunni Rudd (25m 31s):

Baby led weaning. Once we get the okay from her pediatrician at our six month appointment, but otherwise we've been like doing like baby led tasting, if that makes sense, because she's still grabs sport. She knows she wants it now. And you can see that she's ready. But again, she's not really sitting up the full way and it makes me nervous. I want to wait, but I've given her a, a little bit of avocado so that she can taste it. I put it on the inside of her gums or like, what else do we do? They gave her a little bit of barbecue sauce. It was not the chicken, but we were eating chicken. And so we put a little bit of barbecue sauce on the inside. I don't know. She just likes to taste things. We gave her a smoothie to try just like do then the straw.

Katie Ferraro (26m 11s):

Well, I am so excited to watch your transition to this next stage with Robyn, and then to see how you create new content and you navigate the changes in your WIC package that will occur as your baby start solid foods as well. And for our audience who is listening, can you just tell us all, where do we go to find all your stuff and to watch a doorbell, Robyn learn how to eat solid foods.

Sunni Rudd (26m 36s):

You can go to my Tiktok, which is @justsunni and everything should be in my bio from there.

Katie Ferraro (26m 42s):

They're awesome. And I'm going to link to everything that sunny has created, including her cookbook. And I really, really recommend this. It's a wonderful way to support your business is through purchasing her cookbook. And that'll be linked on the show notes page for our podcast @blwpodcast.com. And I know you have a lot of exciting work kind of coming forthcoming with the national WIC association. Is there anything you can share with us that you're working on, that we should be on the lookout for

Sunni Rudd (27m 6s):

Just more Tiktok content take content or I'll be at their conference in Florida, but I don't know if that's a public,

Katie Ferraro (27m 13s):

Is Robyn going to Florida?

Sunni Rudd (27m 15s):

Absolutely. Yeah,

Katie Ferraro (27m 16s):

That's awesome. Right now. I kinda need to go in person. I was going to go remotely, but I really want to meet you guys and by then Robyn should be starting to eat. So that'll be very exciting. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you so much sunny for sharing your time with us. And I really appreciate the opportunity getting to talk to you. I just want to say thank you for the amazing content you're creating for a WIC moms and all of us out there.

Sunni Rudd (27m 33s):

Thank you so much for having me

Katie Ferraro (27m 35s):

Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that interview with Sunni. I stayed on after for a while, like picking her brain about starting solid foods. And I think we're going to see a lot of great Robyn baby-led weaning content as she moves into this next phase of motherhood and tries to navigate how to make the WIC benefit package work for introducing solid foods to Robyn. So I'm going to link up all of Sunni's platforms, her Twitter, her TikTok, and then her cookbook. You guys, if you're, even if you're not on the WIC program, her cookbook is amazing, it's a great way to support her. I'm going to put that only $5 to I got, I was like, I was really charging $5 for this. It's really, really good if you are in the WIC program or you're just interested in how to use other wholesome ingredients to make foods for yourself to support your own body or your growing children's bodies, check out Sonny's cookbook.

Katie Ferraro (28m 17s):

And that'll be linked on the show notes page for this episode, which you can find @blwpodcasts.com/244 thanks for listening.