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Storing Breastmilk Safely with Lara Vu, MPH, CLES @milaskeeper

  • How to safely store breastmilk and what employers are obligated to do for pumping moms
  • Which recipes you can make with breastmilk and how food storage guidelines differ for them
  • Why Lara created the longest lasting breastmilk storage receptacle and how it works

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If you're a pumping mom, where do you store your expressed milk? If you're a working pumping mom and you go to an office or worksite, this is a major issue. The lunchroom refrigerator next to Bob's bologna sandwich? Laura Vu, MPH, CLES started her company Mila's Keeper to create an attractive, effective, easy-to-use solution for longer, safe breastmilk storage. In this episode she's sharing basic tips about safe breastmilk storage for pumping moms.

About the Guest

  • Lara Vu is a mom of 2 and breastfeeding educator who worked for UNICEF for 12 years
  • She saw firsthand the struggles of breastfeeding moms both at the US and abroad
  • Lara is the founder of Mila’s Keeper, which makes products to keep breastmilk cold for up to 20 hours

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Making this a podcast for you is one of the most enjoyable things I do every week. We have over 400 episodes at this point and I know you have a lot of options when it comes to parenting content. And I wanna say thank you for being here to learn about Baby-Led Weaning with me. I have a quick request. I wanted to ask if you found any information on this show, either useful or educational or even remotely entertaining. Would you please leave a written review of this show for me on Apple Podcasts? And since I know you're a podcast person, you might also be an AirPods person. Right now I'm doing a giveaway where you can win one of two sets of Apple AirPods Pros just for leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. So If, you leave a review of the Baby-Led Weaning with Katie Ferraro podcast.

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And thank you again for your feedback. It's honestly the only tool I have to improve the show based exactly on what listeners want to hear. So happy feeding and I look forward to reading your reviews. Thanks so much for listening. National Peanut Butter Day is this week and I don't know where peanut butter falls on your food likability scale. Like personally, I do not love peanut butter. It's too sticky and stinky. In fact, when I was a Peace Corps volunteer in Nepal after college, so there was no peanut butter in Nepal and we also had no money as volunteers. So parents would mail a jar of peanut butter from the states in your care packages and they would usually slip some cash American dollars, usually like a $20 bill, which they would tape to the underside of the inside of the peanut butter jar lid 'cause your stuff would always get stolen for the mail whenever they saw care packages coming from the U.S..

0 (2m 15s):

But Nepalis did not like peanut butter. So the volunteers learned they never opened the peanut butter jar and then you could get your $20 bill from your mom, which went a really long way in that country at that time. But why am I telling you this? Why are we talking about peanut butter? Because peanut is an important potentially allergenic food to introduce to your baby. We have really good data. That early introduction of peanut helps to prevent peanut allergy down the road, except that thick globs of nut butters like peanut butter are a choking hazard for early eaters. And yes, you could thin out smooth, unsalted, unsweetened peanut butter with yogurt or breastmilk formula and offer that to your baby off of a pre-loaded spoon.

0 (3m 41s):

You can save some of that hard earned peanut butter cash that you've been hanging onto. Head to puffworks.com and use the code BABYLED at checkout.

1 (3m 52s):

Milk. Just like any food product can be stored longer and 12 months is kind of the maximum limit, but six months is kind of the more comfortable limit. Generally speaking, you don't want to boil or cook breastmilk because that will destroy the nutrients.

0 (4m 9s):

Hey there, I'm Katie Ferraro, Registered dietitian, college nutrition professor and mom of seven specializing in Baby-Led Weaning here on the Baby-Led Weaning Made Easy podcast. I help you strip out all of the noise and nonsense about feeding, leading you with the confidence and knowledge you need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods using Baby-Led weaning. If I had to bet, I would say you are listening to this podcast and doing something else because moms are the ultimate multitaskers and podcasts are amazing 'cause you can listen to them while you do stuff.

0 (4m 49s):

So maybe you're pumping right now, maybe you're feeding your baby right now, maybe you're driving and pumping, hopefully not driving and feeding your baby at the same time. But for those of you who are pumping, you know it is a lot of work. You probably also know you're not supposed to pump and drive. My guest today knows a lot about stored breastmilk. Her name is Lara Vu. She runs a company called Mila's Keeper. So she's the founder of the company. She has a background in Global Health and Development, but she developed a product that helps keep expressed breastmilk safe at a proper temperature for up to 20 hours.

0 (5m 30s):

So the product that she has is called Mila's Keeper. And someone somewhere on the internet connected us a while ago. I can't remember if I got in touch with her. I think she was doing a breastmilk storage drive, like donating extra breastmilk to breastmilk banks I believe. And so we did like an Instagram live together and I was like, this lady is really cool. And she knows a ton about storing breastmilk and she realized that there was a problem, especially for working moms, that there was no way for them to safely store their breastmilk. Like the idea of, you know, just putting your pumped breastmilk in a communal refrigerator at work is not appealing to most moms who are spending a lot of time pumping this valuable liquid gold.

0 (6m 12s):

So Mila's Keeper is a product that she's gonna describe it to you 'cause I'm not gonna do a good job of describing it. But she created this amazing product to help moms and I wanted her to come on the podcast to talk about innovations in storing breastmilk and also share some tips on storing breastmilk safely. Because If, you are taking the time to make and pump all of this milk. It's important that we do store it safely. So with no further ado, here is storing breastmilk safely with Lara Vu from Mila's Keeper.

1 (6m 44s):

Hi Katie, thanks for having me.

0 (6m 46s):

We are gonna be talking today about storing breastmilk safely, but before we get into that, can you tell us a little bit about your background and how did you come to be the founder of Mila's Keeper?

1 (6m 56s):

I've always been passionate about women and children's health ever since I went to, you know, back to grad school. And I just fell in love with the topic and just focused all my energies on finding a career in this. I think it's probably because I grew up in a family of all women and just women empowerment was just a really important factor for me. And so women's health was just a natural segue and infant health as well. And so I worked for UNICEF after that for 12 years. And it was then when I actually became a mom as well, I became a mom of two. And I think, you know, during that time I had my own trials and tribulations of, of feeding in general and then also pumping at work.

1 (7m 38s):

And it was a struggle. You know, I was working in remote areas trying to, to pump and store, you know, there was no proper facilities in site to, to help me do that. And, and it stuck with me. But what really I think triggered my idea of starting Mila's Keeper was when I had a project with UNICEF that had the potential to impact 180,000 women in a shoe factory. And imagine 180,000 women and nine, you know, basically 95% of the employees are women and all childbearing age. So they had a lot of interest in supporting women and in particularly moms in general.

1 (8m 18s):

And we had an opportunity to help them find ways to pump at work. So they were very agreeable to help us find a pumping room, giving them pump breaks to give them, you know, donated flanges and to, you know, with a hospital grade pump. But the one thing that we lacked was cold storage. You have a factory and there's thousands of people, there's no way to actually keep your milk stored in a sanitary way and they had 12 hour days, so milk would go bad if it wasn't cold. So it was then when it dawned on me like I had my own issues, which we always as moms tolerate, just kind of any everything and anything that comes our way and we figure it out.

1 (8m 60s):

But when I saw that this was affecting so many other women on a massive scale, that's what really triggered me to say, yes, we need to do something about this. I mean we had all these experts and we couldn't figure out, there was just no other options out there. So that's what really inspired me to find a cold storage system that would work for much longer than what already existed. And, and just to make sure that, you know, women had, or moms had a way to safely store without stress.

0 (9m 28s):

And so the product that you have now Mila's Keeper. How long does that keep breastmilk cold for?

1 (9m 33s):

It keeps breastmilk cold for up to 20 hours.

0 (9m 37s):

Wow.

1 (9m 37s):

Yeah, so you know, my goal, you know, in a 2.0 version will be beyond that 24 hours. But at this point, 20 hours will definitely carry a mom per workday and short trips that she might go on. So yeah, the closest thing next to that at the time was only three to four hours, which was like that ugly milk bag or the lunch bag that you kind of like put in a, an ice pack in there. And that would last no longer than three or four hours.

0 (10m 4s):

Oh, I remember that. The stress of like trying to pump in the NICU and then I would wanna go home and take, I had quadruplets that were in the NICU but then I had a, a toddler that was at home and to try to go home and do something but If you were gonna run an errand. I was like, oh my gosh. But I have my pumped milk in the little kind of janky lunch bag being like, is this even safe? And then all that work and time and energy, it reminds me of when, before I had kids, I had a friend who had a kid and she was a formula rep ironically and an IBCLC, she's a dietitian so she sold formula but she was traveling a lot for work and pumping. And I remember she worked for Gerber and they had some like really fancy system where like no matter where she was, she could send her breastmilk back home on an airplane or something.

0 (10m 48s):

I was like, this must cost an arm and a leg. This is totally not accessible for normal people unless you have a fancy corporate job. Like what are you supposed to do if you don't have another business paying for you to fly your breastmilk home.

1 (11m 2s):

Exactly. And you know, even so even If you have a corporate job and you have refrigeration. You don't really wanna store your milk in the community fridge and you know, and for some reason, you know, there is, you know, others are bothered by it, which of course is absolutely wrong. The fact that you know, you have your breastmilk in there, but moms inherently and unfortunately just feel like it's just unsafe to have it out there exposed to others that might mistake their, you know, their lunch for your breastmilk or you know, or just being in a moldy refrigerator for over a period of time.

0 (11m 36s):

So how long on average can you keep breastmilk in the refrigerator and then the freezer? Like what are the guidelines there?

1 (11m 42s):

So there's the 4, 4, 6 rule that the CDC has designed. So it's four hours at room temperature, four days in the refrigerator and six months to 12 months. So up to a year in the freezer.

0 (11m 58s):

I remember buying a deep freezer to store my pump breastmilk when I had my first baby and like you fill it up and you feel so proud and then it goes so freaking quick and I was like, oh my gosh. Like once you stop it go like the storage is an issue and buying a deep freeze is not an option for everybody. The six to 12 months, why is there such a range?

1 (12m 19s):

Yeah, well they originally had it starting at six months, but they realized that, you know, milk, just like any food product can be stored longer and 12 months is, you know, ideally that's kind of the maximum limit, but six months is kind of the more comfortable limit. So that's why they've given this large range and I think that it's perfectly safe anytime between those periods.

0 (12m 42s):

Do you have any tips for moms who are cooking with their breastmilk? Like I love the idea of incorporating a familiar food like breastmilk when you're trying solid foods with your baby. Are there any food safety or food storage guidelines for cooked foods that incorporate breastmilk?

1 (12m 56s):

Yeah, so generally speaking you don't want to boil or cook breastmilk because that will destroy the nutrients. And of course most moms know too that you shouldn't microwave. So you can incorporate breastmilk as long as it doesn't include those options. So for example, if you're steaming your, you know what's great is mashed bananas for example. You can just pour breastmilk as is directly into it with avocado. You know, if you're going to cook like sweet potato, cook the steam, cook or steam the sweet potato and then just add breastmilk to it. And then of course you follow the rules of warming milk just like you would for cooking.

1 (13m 36s):

And so warming milk, you always wanna do it over a period of time under lukewarm water. So you don't wanna, you know, heat it up quickly but over time so that you preserve the nutrients and like I said, you don't even have to heat up the breastmilk, you can just use it straight from your refrigerator as well. Hey,

0 (13m 53s):

We're gonna take a quick break but I'll be right back.

0 (15m 19s):

So let's say you are, you know, very early on in starting solid foods. I know I teach a puree for a few days approach where we help parents that are particularly anxious about making that leap from a liquid only diet of infant milk. So breastmilk or formula right to like soft solid strips of food. So for three days we'll puree the foods and something like avocado, banana, sweet potato. Those are generally the first three foods we start with If, you did mix let's say breastmilk with cooked mashed sweet potato and you didn't use all of it when you put it back in the fridge. How long can you keep it then? Because obviously those bioactive components in breastmilk are going to deteriorate over time. Is there guidelines for that like the storage after you've already added it to a food?

1 (15m 60s):

Yes. So well, If, you brought down the breastmilk to room temperature after being refrigerated. It's good for two hours only afterwards. So it is important to try to store your milk in small quantities so you do your best not to waste any breastmilk.

0 (16m 15s):

So, you're not batch cooking like a lot of mashed potato. Obviously you're not going to need to do that for days and days on end. But we shouldn't anticipate, oh in three days from now I'll just reuse whatever was left over. 'cause you really only have like a two hour window. Okay.

1 (16m 27s):

That's right, exactly.

0 (16m 29s):

What are some of the biggest challenges that pumping moms face when it comes to storing breastmilk? You mentioned the communal refrigerator at work and the perception like ooh that's gross even though oh my gosh it's this human milk that's keeping my baby alive. What are some other hot topics like that?

1 (16m 43s):

Yeah, absolutely. So actually I've developed a like seven tips for basically stress-free breastmilk storage because I think stress is probably the number one, you know, challenge for moms in trying to keep that stress down. So the first is have your basic storage and it's not very complicated. Obviously you will have your portable pump but you should have a wet dry bag to store the pump parts, cleaning tools and a good cold storage system. And that's hopefully where Mila's Keeper can help moms in that regard. The second is plan. So I'm not much of a planner myself but so this was a little bit hard for me but if I can do it, anyone can do it.

1 (17m 23s):

Don't just plan for what you're intending on doing plan for what is unexpected. So you know, If, you are at work, you have a delayed meeting, you get stuck in traffic and more importantly plan for things that you may want to do. For example, maybe you want to take a detour to go to the grocery store and pick something up so you don't have to like drop the baby off and come back again. Maybe you wanna stay with your friend a little little longer. You wanna make sure that you have a backup system so you can store milk longer so you know your moms deserve that extra break and if it's 15 extra minutes, you don't wanna stress out because your milk might go bad. So plan for the unexpected.

1 (18m 3s):

The third is less is more, less cleaning is more. So in other words, do what you can to use the bottles that you plan on using to pump with for later. So for example, if you're planning to feed your baby immediately with the milk that you just pumped, use the same bottle so you don't have to clean more bottles later. So for example, we've designed our glass bottles to be not only used for pumping directly into, but you can also add a nipple to it and feed your baby directly from that. You can also refrigerate, If you plan to refrigerate it. You can also store our breastmilk glass bottles in the refrigerator as well directly and If you freeze.

1 (18m 44s):

They also, you know, you can also pump into a plastic bag that you plan to freeze in or maybe you pump into our glass bottles as well, which are also safely freezable as well. I also use the fridge hack, which is you just store everything in the refrigerator when you're pumping between supplies and you don't have to clean all the items as well. Every time you use the pump parts.

0 (19m 7s):

If, you take your pump parts and put them right in the fridge. You don't have to clean them.

1 (19m 10s):

Well it's a little bit of a hack. I'm not saying that the CDC necessarily recommends it, but a lot of.

0 (19m 15s):

Oh yeah, they want you to sanitize and sterilize every single time.

1 (19m 20s):

Exactly. But honestly as a a working mom, if you're pumping three or four times, you know, during your workday for example, the fridge hack works perfectly. You bring a plastic zip log, throw your pump parts in there. I usually just rinse it with maybe some water and then throw it in the refrigerator in case there's any remnants. But generally speaking I have found that that's perfectly safe.

0 (19m 39s):

It's wild how much the technology has changed in pumping even since I had my first child who's nine now. I'm a huge fan of breast pumps. I've always pumped exclusively and I had a set of quadruplets and a set of twins and was, I felt like I was, I pumped for three straight years with all those kids. And I look at the pumps now and I'm like, where was this when like a hands free was like my dream come true. I actually got a ticket one time for pumping while I was driving, I was holding my phone so he claimed that's why he pulled me over. Like I was like moving it to like the console, but I had my like cover on and he's like was kind of freaking out. But then I also trying to write me a ticket, he's like, I don't want you to think I'm ready the ticket for pumping while you're driving but you're really not supposed to do that.

0 (20m 20s):

And I was like, because you couldn't have your seatbelt on like safely I guess.

1 (20m 24s):

Right, right. But,

0 (20m 25s):

But I know a lot of moms who pump in the car. I mean every time I walk by a bathroom with a plug in it, I like instantaneously like have a flashback to, oh my gosh, I could totally pump there like at the airport and stuff because you know, finding the pump, finding the plug. Before there were wireless pumps. Like I had to have an extension cord in my pump bag for when I was in the airport in case the hairdryer pump like or plugged, didn't reach to the stall where I was pumping. Like it's so much to think about, it's too much. Like I love that you've taken one big piece of it is then what do you do with it After? I remember once I went to Cabo with my husband, like the first time we ever went on a trip without our baby and my parents were watching, our daughter was, think it was like 10, 9, 10 months at that point I pumped for an entire weekend stored it, froze it all perfectly.

0 (21m 8s):

I was coming back through customs and the customs person on the Mexico side took my breastmilk away from me because I didn't have my baby with me. And I was like, why do you think I'm pumping? 'cause I don't have my baby with me. But they said it was a, was like a drug thing. Like oh no, people pretend that it's breastmilk, but I got like liquid cocaine. I don't know what it is, but I remember just being so incensed like you do everything right and it was like three days worth of milk that there was, I was crying when they took it away, but there's nothing you could do. You're in a different country. Like just let me go home.

1 (21m 38s):

Right, right. Well TSA is improved so much since then hopefully that they've like,

0 (21m 44s):

Oh I would never expect that from TSA, I was just surprised that you're in a different country so you're subject to their rules. But there are just so, so many obstacles that pumping mom's face. You're like, I, this is already so much work and it feels sometimes like everyone else is making it harder for you. So can you tell me more about the technology? Because when I first looked at your product I didn't really get it. I said, is it just like a fancy like Yeti cup? Like why would I not just put my breastmilk in a Yeti Cup? Like just as an example? Like how are they different?

1 (22m 11s):

Well, I'll start with actually what is similar is that they both use the DUR flask concept, which is a double stainless steel wall, which then basically traps the air and that allows for the proper insulation properties of a Yeti or a Mila's Keeper. So it'll keep warm things warm and cold things cold. So that's the first is the insulation properties are tremendously effective. The difference is that ours contains a patented a system where you connect the ice pack, a gel ice pack that freezes actually colder than ice and attach it to the lid so that it actually brings down the temperature of warm body temperature breastmilk to refrigerated temperatures.

1 (22m 59s):

What I mean sure you can hack it with a Yeti, which some moms have done and they throw ice in there.

0 (23m 4s):

But then you're diluting your breastmilk,

1 (23m 7s):

Right? That's correct. So you, unless you are putting a bottle in there or some other, or a bag in there, you are actually, yeah, you can't add water into it directly. So we've designed the bottle to actually fit the pumping bottle to fit directly into the Mila's Keeper and then it connects the ice, connects to the lid so that everything's intact. And then If, you wanna put your milk directly in there as well, you can do that as well without ever having to dilute it with water. The other difference between the Yeti and the Mila's Keeper is that we've actually measured out exactly how much ice is needed in order to cool down your breastmilk properly at at the right temperature and for the right extended amount of time.

1 (23m 48s):

So If, you want to hack it with let's say a plastic bag and you throw some ice in there, you're taking a little bit of risk because you don't really know how long that's going to last.

0 (23m 57s):

Hey, we're gonna take a quick break, but I'll be right back.

0 (25m 30s):

Okay, Laura, can you tell us a little bit about the Pump Act of Federal Law that was passed this year about providing private lactation? Like I can't believe we didn't have that law already on the books before, but what did the law used to be? What is the law now?

1 (25m 44s):

Yes. So prior to this law there was no law companies would just decide on their own whim whether or not they provide pump breaks or private lactation spaces for moms. And so most didn't, it was not a legal requirement. Now what's wonderful about it is that now they've had this since January, they have to implement those two things, which is the pump breaks and the lactation spaces, but the pump breaks are paid or not paid. So if you're on an hourly wage, you might actually have to clock out and then come back in after your pump break. So there is still some work for that to be done. The other piece that's not necessarily included is exactly what goes into a private lactation space.

1 (26m 29s):

Yeah, like it

0 (26m 29s):

Can't be the janitor's closet.

1 (26m 31s):

Yeah, it can't be. Yeah. So they have said it can't be the bathroom. They have said that it cannot be the bathroom, but you could just have a room with nothing in it. And like you were talking about, the electric plug is so important. I mean moms need to have, you know, if you're having a full strength pump, oftentimes it requires electricity. Also with not included is cold storage. So your workplace isn't by law required to have refrigeration in the workplace. So having your own cold storage is really essential. And so that's why Mila's Keeper also supports in that because not only can you store it safely at your desk, one other great thing is that you'll never forget it too. I think just one of the challenges that moms have is that you pump, you store it in the community fridge, which might be, it might be on another floor, you rush out to go home and you forgotten your breastmilk, which is the worst feeling as well.

1 (27m 22s):

So you know, especially if you're feeding that baby with that same breastmilk that night.

0 (27m 26s):

Laura, thank you so much. This has been really informational and I love the work that you're doing in the space to make pumping easier and more accessible and breastfeeding hopefully of a longer duration for the moms who want that. Tell us where we can go to learn more about Mila's Keeper and then how can we support your business.

1 (27m 45s):

Thank you so much. Absolutely. Moms can come to our Instagram feed, it's @milaskeeper. You can go to our website, milaskeepr.com. I think the biggest help is just sharing this with other moms because just like me, I felt like this was an an issue that I dealt with alone. And I think having that community and sharing these tools and resources to other moms is invaluable because that's just the best way to learn. It's just from each other.

0 (28m 13s):

A final question I'd just like to ask. Yes. My work in baby led weaning, my goal is to make forced spoon feeding of babies something that's passé, something that we don't do anymore. Just like people used to smoke on an airplane and you'll be like someday, like remember when we used to like shove food down a baby's mouth when they could do it for themselves. What is it that you wanna accomplish with Mila's Keeper?

1 (28m 34s):

I truly want to empower moms to be able to do things freely the way they want to do without feeling like pumping and cold storage is bringing them away from that, the things that they love to do. So if they wanna go on a hike, if they want to go on that vacation, if they want to work, all these things that are difficult when you're away from your baby, we wanna make pumping and storage something easy and safe and stress-free.

0 (29m 5s):

Well thank you so much. It's been great chatting with you.

1 (29m 7s):

Thank you so much for having me. It was such a pleasure to be here.

0 (29m 12s):

Well I hope you guys enjoyed that interview about storing breastmilk safely with Lara Vu. Again, her company is called Mila's Keeper, so they're on Instagram @milaskeeper, milaskeeper.com. I'll link everything as far as her resources go in the Shownotes for this episode, which you can find at BLWpodcast.com/404. I love how passionate she is about safe breastmilk storage. I was talking to her after the interview about like all the other things she does. It's funny how you think you know someone from one aspect and she like, I know what she does in breastmilk storage. She's like, oh, but I'm also a UNICEF consultant. And then she also does work with the Human Milk Institute, which is here in San Diego where I am. And then we both agreed that we're also Uber drivers for our children for all their various activities.

0 (29m 52s):

Like moms do so much and I loved chatting with her. Thanks for listening. I'll see you next time. Like a lot of moms out there, I will totally admit I am quite Type A. I am a total task master and one of my weekly work tasks is to review the feedback forms that are new students in my program, which is called Baby-Led Weaning with Katie Ferraro that they leave for us. So basically this form asks a lot of questions about you and your baby and your baby's feeding and medical history, any concerns that you might have or fears about starting solid foods.

0 (30m 41s):

And all of this data helps me when I'm answering parent questions inside of our weekly live office hours so I can then tailor my response to your particular baby and situation, right? Because it's not a one size fits all approach when it comes to what your baby's eating, right? Because maybe your baby has an egg allergy or another mom in the program. She might really be struggling with how to make meat safe 'cause she doesn't like to cook. So this week on the form, there's a new mom named Janine and she wrote, and this is her quote, I researched a lot on the internet and I have a lot of books. I saw a lot of other Baby-Led Weaning programs, but in the end, this is the one that I realized is what I'm really looking for as a new mom. I love that Katie's program has a community and that there are videos for everything you need to know and how to make the foods.

0 (31m 25s):

And what I love the most is that there's already a meal plan ready. And this just like stopped my heart because this is exactly why I created the Baby-Led Weaning with Katie Ferraro program. I wanted to literally put everything that you need to know about starting solid foods safely in one place with a super easy to follow 20 full weeks meal plan. Okay, there's 20 weeks 'cause it's five foods a week. I want your baby to get to those a 100 new foods before they turn one. 'cause I also know you have a lot going on as a new mom and hunting and pecking all over the internet to try to figure out what am I gonna feed this baby that is not the solution. So If, you want to check out the Baby-Led Weaning with Katie Ferraro program.

0 (32m 5s):

I would be honored to work with you and your baby. You can head to babyledweaning.co to get started and hopefully I'll be reading your feedback soon too.

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